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	<title>Comments on: Drive up to Portland, why I don&#8217;t like most self help books, a fascinating conversation, and more :)</title>
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		<title>By: David 'TheToolWiz' Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>David 'TheToolWiz' Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like books like &quot;Life&#039;s Golden Ticket&quot;.  It&#039;s much more inspiring and motivating than any kind of &quot;self-help&quot; books I&#039;ve read.  Dan Millman&#039;s books (&quot;The Way Of The Peaceful Warrior&quot;, etc) are very uplifting.  So&#039;s listening to people like you talk about your successes with people like Willie.

I lived in Hillsboro for a couple of years back when it was still mostly farm land.  That&#039;s way out west of Portland.  I got tired of the constantly gray skies.  But that was Sept-April.  This time of year is gorgeous up there.

I think people are basically good.  It helps a lot if you&#039;re attractive and have a pretty smile. ;)  But generally speaking, if you can get people to listen to what you have to say, they tend to be quite open and friendly.  And it&#039;s often easier when you&#039;re traveling, because people love sharing about their town.

-David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like books like &#8220;Life&#8217;s Golden Ticket&#8221;.  It&#8217;s much more inspiring and motivating than any kind of &#8220;self-help&#8221; books I&#8217;ve read.  Dan Millman&#8217;s books (&#8220;The Way Of The Peaceful Warrior&#8221;, etc) are very uplifting.  So&#8217;s listening to people like you talk about your successes with people like Willie.</p>
<p>I lived in Hillsboro for a couple of years back when it was still mostly farm land.  That&#8217;s way out west of Portland.  I got tired of the constantly gray skies.  But that was Sept-April.  This time of year is gorgeous up there.</p>
<p>I think people are basically good.  It helps a lot if you&#8217;re attractive and have a pretty smile. <img src='http://rachelrofe.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   But generally speaking, if you can get people to listen to what you have to say, they tend to be quite open and friendly.  And it&#8217;s often easier when you&#8217;re traveling, because people love sharing about their town.</p>
<p>-David</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, no, you&#039;re right.  I usually am in Japan, but am home for the summer (to plan my wedding!)  I&#039;m across the river in Washington, but Portland is about 15 min. away.  

Okay, emailing you soon.  Stoked to meet you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, no, you&#8217;re right.  I usually am in Japan, but am home for the summer (to plan my wedding!)  I&#8217;m across the river in Washington, but Portland is about 15 min. away.  </p>
<p>Okay, emailing you soon.  Stoked to meet you!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brisson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Brisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re my hero. :)

JZ made th blog... nice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re my hero. <img src='http://rachelrofe.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>JZ made th blog&#8230; nice!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walt - haha... well.. I guess you can get insight from some people... but most of them are not super-stellar, in my opinion. :)

Tajwar - Agreed! =)

Jaime - I KNOW... I never would&#039;ve believed it either. You have been absolutely invaluable to me. I love you so freaking much!!!

Rebecca - You&#039;re in Portland!? I didn&#039;t know that for some reason... always think of you in Japan, even though you twittered me about the road trip. LET&#039;S DO IT!!! I&#039;m here till the 22nd and would absolutely ADORE getting together. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt &#8211; haha&#8230; well.. I guess you can get insight from some people&#8230; but most of them are not super-stellar, in my opinion. <img src='http://rachelrofe.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Tajwar &#8211; Agreed! =)</p>
<p>Jaime &#8211; I KNOW&#8230; I never would&#8217;ve believed it either. You have been absolutely invaluable to me. I love you so freaking much!!!</p>
<p>Rebecca &#8211; You&#8217;re in Portland!? I didn&#8217;t know that for some reason&#8230; always think of you in Japan, even though you twittered me about the road trip. LET&#8217;S DO IT!!! I&#8217;m here till the 22nd and would absolutely ADORE getting together. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to Portland, Rachel!  Let&#039;s hang out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to Portland, Rachel!  Let&#8217;s hang out!</p>
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		<title>By: Jaime Mintun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaime Mintun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Rach. It brought tears to my eyes to see you talk about exploring the darkness to know the light. A couple months ago you would have scoffed at that! 

You&#039;ve helped me grow and see so much as well.

And I love the copywriting style. Your message is so authentic it doesn&#039;t take away from it at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Rach. It brought tears to my eyes to see you talk about exploring the darkness to know the light. A couple months ago you would have scoffed at that! </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve helped me grow and see so much as well.</p>
<p>And I love the copywriting style. Your message is so authentic it doesn&#8217;t take away from it at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Tajwar Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tajwar Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 03:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rach:-)

Glad to see your trip is going well:-)

I dig the copywriting style....it doesn&#039;t phase the message at all:-) 

As far as the self-help thing goes I agree and disagree..but also agree.
Many self help books are very well meaning but many times leave out main points that people NEED.
LIKE TAKING ACTION!!!!

Later!

Taj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rach:-)</p>
<p>Glad to see your trip is going well:-)</p>
<p>I dig the copywriting style&#8230;.it doesn&#8217;t phase the message at all:-) </p>
<p>As far as the self-help thing goes I agree and disagree..but also agree.<br />
Many self help books are very well meaning but many times leave out main points that people NEED.<br />
LIKE TAKING ACTION!!!!</p>
<p>Later!</p>
<p>Taj</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have to read a self help book (written by someone else), doesn&#039;t that kind of defeat the purpose? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have to read a self help book (written by someone else), doesn&#8217;t that kind of defeat the purpose? <img src='http://rachelrofe.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elisabeth,

Thanks for the insightful comment. :)

You&#039;re right, of course - some self help books are good. I mean really, it&#039;s hard for me to say anything&#039;s BAD - it all depends on how you interpret anything.

I just feel like most people don&#039;t interpret those books in a way that I support.

As far as the whole &quot;self improvement&quot; thing - ie &quot;do i need to improve&quot; - sure, everyone can always better themselves, I think. Life&#039;s all about improving. But like you said - people take it as they&#039;re &quot;bad&quot; - and then it goes back to the whole interpretation thing.

Interesting that you came here to the USA because of that attitude. Even more interesting that you made a website on it. :)

And the flood story - I LOVE IT! Thank you for sharing. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elisabeth,</p>
<p>Thanks for the insightful comment. <img src='http://rachelrofe.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, of course &#8211; some self help books are good. I mean really, it&#8217;s hard for me to say anything&#8217;s BAD &#8211; it all depends on how you interpret anything.</p>
<p>I just feel like most people don&#8217;t interpret those books in a way that I support.</p>
<p>As far as the whole &#8220;self improvement&#8221; thing &#8211; ie &#8220;do i need to improve&#8221; &#8211; sure, everyone can always better themselves, I think. Life&#8217;s all about improving. But like you said &#8211; people take it as they&#8217;re &#8220;bad&#8221; &#8211; and then it goes back to the whole interpretation thing.</p>
<p>Interesting that you came here to the USA because of that attitude. Even more interesting that you made a website on it. <img src='http://rachelrofe.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And the flood story &#8211; I LOVE IT! Thank you for sharing. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Elisabeth Kuhn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisabeth Kuhn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good points about self-help books.  But as you say, there are good ones to be found among the mediocre ones, and then there are some that aren&#039;t so hot at all...  

But overall, I love them, just because even the presence of the bad ones help create and reinforce that genre that has brought about so much helpful stuff.  And even the not so hot ones often have valuable morsels of helpful info.  One day, I&#039;ll dig through all the books on my shelves and find that info and put it in one big new book (best of...).

And then, of course, there&#039;s that issue about what exactly IS self-help and what does it mean.  Some people equate it with self-improvement, which implies there&#039;s a &quot;need&quot; to improve, i.e., they are bad.

I take it to mean something more in line of self empowerment and even self-discovery.

Having come to the U.S. as a grad student, I was so enchanted with that &quot;can do&quot; and, yeah, even that &quot;be all you can be&quot; attitude that was/is so pervasive here and that was so glaringly absent where I came from, that I just HAD to stay, and so here I am.

One more thing your post made me think of:

That story or parable about the guy in a big flood, who rejected offers of help one after the other, first a boat, then another boat, then a helicopter, as he was sitting on the roof of his house to escape the water, telling everybody, &quot;God will save me.&quot;

And then, he drowns.  When he gets to heaven, he asks God why he wasn&#039;t saved. And God said, &quot;I sent you TWO boats AND a helicopter!&quot;

Elisabeth

http://www.myfavoriteselfhelpstuff.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good points about self-help books.  But as you say, there are good ones to be found among the mediocre ones, and then there are some that aren&#8217;t so hot at all&#8230;  </p>
<p>But overall, I love them, just because even the presence of the bad ones help create and reinforce that genre that has brought about so much helpful stuff.  And even the not so hot ones often have valuable morsels of helpful info.  One day, I&#8217;ll dig through all the books on my shelves and find that info and put it in one big new book (best of&#8230;).</p>
<p>And then, of course, there&#8217;s that issue about what exactly IS self-help and what does it mean.  Some people equate it with self-improvement, which implies there&#8217;s a &#8220;need&#8221; to improve, i.e., they are bad.</p>
<p>I take it to mean something more in line of self empowerment and even self-discovery.</p>
<p>Having come to the U.S. as a grad student, I was so enchanted with that &#8220;can do&#8221; and, yeah, even that &#8220;be all you can be&#8221; attitude that was/is so pervasive here and that was so glaringly absent where I came from, that I just HAD to stay, and so here I am.</p>
<p>One more thing your post made me think of:</p>
<p>That story or parable about the guy in a big flood, who rejected offers of help one after the other, first a boat, then another boat, then a helicopter, as he was sitting on the roof of his house to escape the water, telling everybody, &#8220;God will save me.&#8221;</p>
<p>And then, he drowns.  When he gets to heaven, he asks God why he wasn&#8217;t saved. And God said, &#8220;I sent you TWO boats AND a helicopter!&#8221;</p>
<p>Elisabeth</p>
<p><a href="http://www.myfavoriteselfhelpstuff.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.myfavoriteselfhelpstuff.com</a></p>
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